Legislature(1999 - 2000)
04/24/2000 05:35 PM Senate 248
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CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON SB 248
April 24, 2000
5:35 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Rick Halford, Chair
Representative Gail Phillips, Vice Chair
Senator Gary Wilken
Representative Ramona Barnes
Senator Al Adams
Representative Reggie Joule
MEMBERS ABSENT
None
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SENATE BILL NO. 248
"An Act relating to the financing authority, payment in lieu of tax
agreements, and tax exemption for assets and projects of the Alaska
Industrial Development and Export Authority; relating to renaming
and contingently repealing the rural development initiative fund
within the Department of Community and Economic Development, and
establishing the rural development initiative fund within the
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority; and providing
for an effective date."
-HEARD AND HELD
PREVIOUS ACTION
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
2/08/00 2216 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
2/08/00 2217 (S) CRA, L&C, FIN
2/08/00 2217 (S) ZERO FISCAL NOTE (DCED)
2/08/00 2217 (S) GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER
3/06/00 Text (S) CRA AT 1:30 PM FAHRENKAMP 203
3/06/00 Text (S) Moved Out of Committee
3/06/00 Text (S) MINUTE(CRA)
3/07/00 2546 (S) CRA RPT 2DP 1NR
3/07/00 2546 (S) DP: MACKIE, HOFFMAN; NR: PHILLIPS
3/07/00 2546 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (DCED)
3/23/00 Text (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
3/23/00 Text (S) -- Rescheduled to 3/28/00 --
3/28/00 Text (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
3/28/00 Text (S) Moved Out of Committee
3/28/00 Text (S) MINUTE(L&C)
3/29/00 2775 (S) L&C RPT 3DP 1NR
3/29/00 2775 (S) DP: MACKIE, LEMAN, HOFFMAN;
3/29/00 2775 (S) NR: TIM KELLY
3/29/00 2775 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (DCED)
4/12/00 Text (S) FIN AT 6:00 PM SENATE FINANCE 532
4/12/00 Text (S) Heard & Held
4/13/00 3052 (S) FIN RPT CS 3DP 4NR 1AM SAME TITLE
4/13/00 3052 (S) DP: TORGERSON, PARNELL, LEMAN;
4/13/00 3052 (S) NR: PHILLIPS, PETE KELLY, WILKEN,
4/13/00 3052 (S) DONLEY; AM: ADAMS
4/13/00 3052 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FISCAL NOTE (DCED)
4/14/00 Text (S) RLS AT 1:00 PM FAHRENKAMP 203
4/14/00 Text (S) MINUTE(RLS)
4/14/00 3110 (S) RLS TO 1ST SUP CALENDAR 04/14/00
4/14/00 3111 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
4/14/00 3111 (S) FIN CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
4/14/00 3111 (S) MOVED TO BOTTOM OF CALENDAR
4/14/00 3113 (S) AM NO 1 ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
4/14/00 3113 (S) ADVANCED TO 3RD READING UNAN CONSENT
4/14/00 3113 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB 248(FIN) AM
4/14/00 3114 (S) PASSED Y19 N1
4/14/00 3114 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
4/14/00 3116 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
4/15/00 3161 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
4/15/00 3161 (H) FIN
4/18/00 Text (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
4/18/00 Text (H) Moved HCSSB 248(FIN) Out of Committee
4/19/00 3294 (H) FIN RPT HCS(FIN) 10DP
4/19/00 3294 (H) DP: THERRIAULT, BUNDE, AUSTERMAN,
4/19/00 3294 (H) DAVIES, GRUSSENDORF, MOSES, DAVIS,
4/19/00 3294 (H) WILLIAMS, PHILLIPS, FOSTER
4/19/00 3294 (H) SENATE ZERO FISCAL NOTE (DCED) 2/8/00
4/19/00 3321 (H) RLS TO 1ST SUPP CALENDAR 4/19/00
4/19/00 3321 (H) READ THE SECOND TIME
4/19/00 3322 (H) FIN HCS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
4/19/00 3322 (H) ADVANCED TO 3RD READING UNAN CONSENT
4/19/00 3322 (H) READ THE 3RD TIME HCS CSSB 248(FIN)
4/19/00 3322 (H) PASSED Y33 N1 A6
4/19/00 3323 (H) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
4/19/00 3335 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S) AS AMENDED
4/20/00 3341 (S) FAILED CONCUR (H) AM Y6 N13 A1
4/20/00 3342 (S) CONFERENCE COMMITTEE APPOINTED
4/20/00 3342 (S) *HALFORD, WILKEN, ADAMS
4/20/00 3360 (H) FAILED RECEDE (H) AM N32 A8
4/20/00 3361 (H) CONFERENCE COMMITTEE APPOINTED
4/20/00 3361 (H) *PHILLIPS, BARNES, JOULE
WITNESS REGISTER
Mr. Keith Laufer
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority
480 West Tudor Road
Anchorage, AK 99503-6690
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions about Section 1 of HCS CSSB
248(FIN)
ACTION NARRATIVE
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SB 248-AIDEA: BONDS & RURAL DEVELOPMENT
CHAIRMAN RICK HALFORD called the Conference Committee on SB 248 to
order at 5:35 p.m. Present were Representatives Phillips, Joule
and Barnes, and Senators Wilken, Adams and Chairman Halford.
Chairman Halford announced that the purpose of the meeting was to
provide an initial overview of the differences between the House
and Senate passed versions of SB 248. He asked a member of the
House to provide an analysis of the section added to the House
version.
REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS explained that the primary change made
by the House Finance Committee was the addition of Section 1 to HCS
CSSB 248(FIN). Section 1 says that a private interest in an Alaska
Industrial and Development Export Authority (AIDEA) facility may
not be taxed by a municipality. Therefore, a non-exclusive use
facility that AIDEA helped to fund that makes payments in lieu of
taxes cannot be taxed by a municipality. Second, a retroactive
effective date of January 1, 1999 was added to apply to a ruling
made by the tax assessor effective January 1, 1999. She noted
this section primarily affects Cominco's Red Dog Mine.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD asked if the payment in lieu of taxes equals about
the same amount that would have otherwise been generated.
MR. KEITH LAUFER, AIDEA, stated the payment in lieu of tax
agreement that Cominco has with the Borough was entered into some
years ago. It was based on the value of the mine, which was the
only thing contemplated to be taxable at the time.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES informed committee members that agreement
went into effect in 1985.
MR. LAUFER said the agreement has been amended since 1985 at least
once but the assumption has always been that the road and the port
were not taxable. When the parties entered into the agreements
and looked at the various funding requirements for the Borough,
they did not contemplate including those two things on the tax
roll.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS noted that anyone else who wants to operate
in that area would be able to use those facilities also.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said he assumes the answer is that the payment in
lieu of taxes does not include any value that could be assigned to
the road. He asked whether this applies to the road and the
buildings.
MR. LAUFER answered it applies to the road and all of the
facilities of the port.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD asked whether the primary part of the port is the
large building.
MR. LAUFER said it is. The port contains load-out facilities,
conveyors, dock facilities, two large storage buildings, limited
housing facilities for employees and tanks.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD commented that in thinking about other
applications, it is easy to see why a road that is open to the
public is less apt to be a taxable item than housing or a
warehouse.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS remarked that it is feasible that the whole
Arctic coal project, if it comes to pass, could enter into
negotiations for use of those facilities.
Number 373
CHAIRMAN HALFORD asked how this same standard - a non-exclusive use
agreement between some kind of financing authority that allows the
financing authority to design and build an asset to the user's
specifications that is nontaxable - would apply to other
arrangements. He thought the logical thing to do is to let the tax
assessor appeal process occur.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked the testifier to identify himself.
MR. KEITH LAUFER stated that he is the Financial Legal Affairs
Manager for AIDEA.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked whether any other AIDEA projects will
be affected by the ruling of this tax assessor.
MR. LAUFER said no.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked if this is the only such project that
the tax assessor has reached out to.
MR. LAUFER replied the other facilities that AIDEA has are
exclusive facilities, for example, the FedEx facility is on the tax
roll. The FedEx facility has a payment in lieu of taxes
arrangement but it is included on the tax roll as an exclusively
operated facility by Federal Express. The DeLong Transfer System
is the only facility that he can think of that has a non-exclusive
use arrangement.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES said that in 1985 the DeLong Mountain
Transfer System was exempt from taxation. The Northwest Arctic
Borough had just founded itself. She cannot understand why the tax
assessor has reached out to this particular project at this
particular time.
Number 592
MR. LAUFER said he cannot speak for the tax assessor.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD asked if he was referring to the state tax
assessor.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS said that is correct.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD asked what department the state tax assessor works
in.
MR. LAUFER replied the Department of Community and Economic
Development.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD surmised that the concern that has been brought
forward is the effect not on Cominco but on the full and true value
determination as it applies to the education foundation formula. He
asked if anyone present could speak to that issue.
SENATOR WILKEN said, as he understands the issue, the difference
between the assessor's amount and the other value is about $156
million. Because of the way the foundation formula works, that
would have a $615,000 effect on the foundation formula. If that
beneficial interest is not considered taxable, then the foundation
formula will pay $615,000 to that Borough. If it is considered
taxable and is added to the Borough's tax base, the Borough would
have to pick up the $615,000 as its part of the foundation formula
based on the assessed value.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked if this is something new.
SENATOR WILKEN said it came to his attention when the assessor
called his office. He had worked with the assessor on assessed
values during the SB 36 hearings. The assessor heard what happened
in the House and asked Senator Wilken about it. That is how he got
involved.
Number 742
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS clarified that the tax assessor made the
determination by himself last year without taking into
consideration the payment in lieu of taxes issue.
SENATOR WILKEN suggested asking the assessor to address these
questions. He added that he is unaware of the status of the appeal
of the assessor's decision.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS read the following statement:
Prior to 1999, a non-exclusive right to use an AIDEA-owned and
operated public facility was not considered to constitute a
taxable property interest. For the first time in 1999, such
use rights were treated as taxable property by the state
assessor.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES said it sounds like the state assessor went
out looking for revenue sources because it seems absurd that unless
there was something in the law to base it on, he reached out and
decided to tax the DeLong Mountain Transfer System. That system is
still owned by AIDEA as a public facility until the bonds are paid
off. She recalled, from working on the original Cominco
legislation, that World War II bonds were used as collateral to
support the bonding of that facility through AIDEA.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said the next step is to talk to the assessor.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked that the committee review the other
revisions.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD commented that he has no problem with the issue
but he wants to know what the impact will be on the rest of the
state because, with regard to the education foundation formula,
what goes to one place cannot go to another.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES remarked that she has made up her mind on
this issue because the DeLong Transfer System is a public facility
and the bonds have not yet been paid off.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS noted the legislature would have to make
some major changes to existing state law if it proceeds otherwise.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said his understanding is that facility will
remain a public facility after the bonds are paid off.
MR. LAUFER said that is correct.
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES noted the bonds are being paid off by private
interests.
CHAIRMAN HALFORD announced that he would try to schedule another
meeting tomorrow and adjourned the meeting at 5:50 p.m.
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